Sunday, 27 June 2010

Ye of little faith!

Sunday 9:00 p.m.
In the Disbelieving Congregation, of which I am the sole member and single representative, we don't believe in faith. I found the next thing on a blog posted by a kid I know at Stirling Uni.

One day during a lecture, a Professor of Philosophy, who was also an Atheist, was speaking to his class about the problem science has with God. He asked one of his students to stand. This was their dialogue.

Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor : So, you believe in God?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is God good?

Student : Sure.

Professor : Is God all powerful?

Student : Yes.

Professor : My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent)

Professor : You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is God Good?

Student : Yes.

Professor : Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Professor : Where does Satan come from?

Student : From…God…

Professor : That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor : So who created evil?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world,
don’t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor : So, who created them?

(Student had no answer)

Professor : Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell
me, son… have you ever felt God?

Student : No, sir.

Professor : Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No, sir.

Professor : Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any
sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor : Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, science says your God doesn’t
exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor : Yes, faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor : Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor : Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn’t…

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no eat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop dilence in the Lecture Theatre)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor : Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light… But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor : So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is, your Philosophical Premise is flawed.

Professor : Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood, either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the
argument was going)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?…
No one appears to have done so. So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable
Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The professor stared at the student, his face
unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir…Exactly! The link between man and God is faith. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

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That student was Albert Einstein

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I might as well stick in the comment I put on this though it's not quite as good!!!

I don’t do faith. I believe in ignorance and scepticism. I believe we have to suffer from misapprehension since we’ll only ever have a partial view of anything. There isn’t a god creator in buddhism, but buddhists are into non-duality.

Samsara and nirvana have the same reality in the state of ultimate awareness. To achieve ultimate reality, I mark everything with mahamudra, the Great Seal of Emptiness. This is the quintessence of non-duality. Milarepa.

So buddhists are into non-self and emptiness.
You don’t need faith to be good. But you do need compassion. I don’t think faith is necessary for me. Having faith in something outside yourself surely is duality. It’s based on the false sense of self that screws everybody up. There is only one big thing made up of lots of wee things. “God” is in everybody, everywhere. I am it. Absolute oneness.
So this is a countervailing view. This post is the best thing I’ve read in a blog for years! Hotboy

4 comments:

Marie Rex said...

I like that. A good debate is a wonderful thing.

The biggest problem humans get into is the whole idea of labeling.

That this is good, this is bad or any other labels. But all of that is emotional attachment. Things just are. It is all facts, until we assign an emotional value to it.

Since we can't agree on emotional value, there is little we can agree on.

It is no wonder folks hate each other. All that attachment.

Thanks that gives me something very interesting to ponder for the day.

Hotboy said...

Marie! I was surprised at how much I enjoyed reading it! Hotboy

rob said...

I think the bible has at least one good Taoist bit: in the midst of life we are in death.

rob said...

PS - can you confirm whether an open crotch pair of Y fronts would be easier to dry off? I don't want to splash out on a new pair if it's not going to help.